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Tuesday, April 7, 2009

Sodom - What Happened?

A few weeks ago a reader posted a comment asking if I had watched Perry Stone on TBN. "Entire 30 minute episode with historical evidence about Sodom and the homosexual sin (out in the streets) that brought it down," he wrote.

Well I don't often watch TBN and have never watched Perry Stone, but of course you can find him online. The episode referred to is #441 - The Zoar Factor.

True to the form of Christians that pick and choose verses and mis-interpret them to demonize gays, Mr. Stone does the same thing with Hebrew Scripture, taking a passage from the book of Jasher and after misinterpreting the verse, forgetting all of the words around it. He focused on one verse.

Here is what Jasher 19:3 says: And by desire of their four judges the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had beds erected in the streets of the cities, and if a man came to these places they laid hold of him and brought him to one of their beds, and by force made him to lie in them.

Those are the words displayed on the screen, but Mr. Stone mis-quotes the end, saying "and by force made him to lie with them."

There is a big difference between "in" and "with".

So I wondered what the verses that followed said.

Jasher 19:4-7:
And as he lay down, three men would stand at his head and three at his feet, and measure him by the length of the bed, and if the man was less than the bed these six men would stretch him at each end, and when he cried out to them they would not answer him.


And if he was longer than the bed they would draw together the two sides of the bed at each end, until the man had reached the gates of death.


And if he continued to cry out to them, they would answer him, saying, Thus shall it be done to a man that cometh into our land.


And when men heard all these things that the people of the cities of Sodom did, they refrained from coming there.

There is not a word in there that would lead one to believe they are talking about forced sex between men, but that is what Stone implies. In fact, that is what he bases his entire show on.

You can read Jasher 19 here and you will learn that the people of Sodom went on to starve and torture visitors. It seems this is the abomination that may have been looked upon by God with disfavor.

In fact, read on. Just after covering a woman with honey and then placing her before a swarm of bees that were stinging her all over, and as she was being ignored by the people:


And the Lord was provoked at this and at all the works of the cities of Sodom, for they had abundance of food, and had tranquility amongst them, and still would not sustain the poor and the needy, and in those days their evil doings and sins became great before the Lord.


And the Lord sent for two of the angels that had come to Abraham's house, to destroy Sodom and its cities.

In fact, nowhere are relations between same sex partners mentioned.

As for Stone, he has no credibility. He goes on to say that the same abominations are taking place in the United States. Well, yeah, we are not "sustaining the poor and the needy." But it has nothing to do with homosexuality!!!

Stone goes on to compare judges in Biblical times permitting torture of visitors to judges in the United States making rulings (about gay rights is implied). Apples and oranges?

He blames the hurricane in New Orleans and the mildew that resulted on a curse from the Lord (he says "mildew" is biblical), and the city of Galveston's storm damage last year on the Bible's admonition that it rains upon the just and unjust, and says just as Lot (who was a just man) had to relocate, so the "just" citizens of hurricane damaged areas have to relocate.

Give me a break!


Anonymous said...

Another thing to keep in mind is the definition of "bed". The word bed can mean a place to rest or a type of a type of support structure. I would like to know what word the original Hebrew version of Jasher used to see if a more current translation would have a different outcome (i.e.: a place of rest or a platform structure).

If you ever get a chance to look up some pictures of ancient ruins, many biblical-era prisons had beds made of elevated stone slabs. Not exactly conducive to sexual activity.

richard said...

So I guess we should believe Joe, the former animal doctor rather than Stone who is a Bible Scholar. The Bible is plain as day when it talks about the men of Sodom and what they wanted to do with the two 'visitors'. They were attempting to force the door down because they wanted to have SEX with them.

Joe, you and your homo pals need to hit your knees and ask forgiveness. It is you who spins the scriptures.


john in hoover said...

I am constantly amazed at the lengths the homosexual community goes to try to justify their sin. Funny how they want everyone to accept them as they are b/c God created them that way (whatever) but if you disagree with their lifestyle then you are guilty of a hate crime.

Judgement day is coming Richard. We'll let the Almighty take care of it.

Joe said...

I will address the men of Sodom either tomorrow or Thursday.
John, I will use the sources I have used in the past, so you can go ahead and spin your response.

Anonymous said...

Perry Stone is a hack that uses Christianity for his personal gain. The guy takes loose biblical interpretation, Jewish mysticism, and new-age teachings, throws them into a blend and produces this mega-marketing "prophetic ministry". I can't believe that people buy into his so called prophecies. They are about as vague and accurate as the old Nostradamus stuff.

Maybe I am missing something. Guess I might shell out $30 for his Meal That Heals and see if it helps clear up my thinking a bit.

You can make an argument against homosexuality using Biblical references but to use Perry Stone as a reference source is week at best.

kristi said...

You obviously didn't watch the show. I did. He used MANY BIBLICAL references. His teaching is solid. The arguments 'for' homosexuality are usually "Well, the Bible doesn't address it, but God says to LOVE, so it must be okay" are VERY weak. The Bible doesn't mention incest, so it must be okay.

Richard, John, u r fighting a losing battle on THIS blog.
But I agree with your opinion.

lipscomb bohemian said...

if there is one thing that would turn people away from christianity it is christians

Joe said...

I don't know if you are aiming your comment at me or at Anonymous, but I watched the show not once but twice. I knew from the beginning that Stone was off base when he said a rainbow was unique because man could not make one (in so many words). I immediately thought of the rainbow I can make with my lawn sprinkler.
I can make a rainbow with a prism. I can make a rainbow in a soap bubble.

lipscomb - you are right. It's sad really. They are turnning so many people away from the teachings of Jesus.

tompit said...

It is interesting to note that none of the usual critics here have even attempted to rebut the actual points that Joe makes about Stone's deliberate misrepresentation of the Jasher 19:3 scripture, the very "evidence" upon which Stone bases his argument. Does Stone assume his minions too gullible to actually check his sources? Perhaps he is just so confident that he knows the will of God that he feels qualified to edit the scripture for what he is certain God must have really meant.